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Katsura Kotonoha
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.29 23:38:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Quote:You need to let this go. This topic would have gone alot farther and been alot more productive if you would have not pointed fingers. Even your title is set up to inflame, you could have said 0.0 Alliance "legalising" Botting!!
Nobody is argueing that what was done was questionable. But that is CCP's call on what to do about it and if it is bannable. You need to report it and move on. Yes of course. Except that this topic has over 200 replies and nearly 3000 views. Attempts have been made to repeatedly dumb it down and dissipate the topic at hand. And yet the question still remains.... Should the Goons (or ANY alliance) be allowed to 1) Threaten players for reporting? 2) Even address the issue of reporting bots internally when the EULA is CCP v Individual. 3) Knowingly harbour/support and secure ground for bots? And CCP has not clarified the position on ALLIANCE intervention and involvement in EULA issues. btw: I could give 100 analogies where refusing to acknowledge/address/act/report or indeed to participate in an illegal activity is deemed as legalising by proxy - it's perception based. My title stands. I have also explained my title in an earlier post. You have some contorted idea of what an EULA is for. It's for limiting CCP's liability if they ban you or refuse service to you. It's not a list of their internal laws. |
Katsura Kotonoha
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.29 23:40:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Vile rat wrote:Consider this an official GSF response to this garbage thread.
We do not condone botting. We think it is destructive to the game. We tell people not to bot and strongly discourage it because it's stupid and easily caught, not to mention it cheapens the effort of players who play the game the way it was meant to be. We are also not CCP's policemen. It is not our job to police botting or EULA breaking activities in the game, this is CCP's job. CCP Sreegs is doing a wonderful job policing this and we support his actions. Asking a playerbase to police EULA infractions is dumb and it is not our place. There is a report bot mechanism, we encourage people to use it. You know labeling something an 'official response' is just another way of saying "here is a line of b.s. gobble it up please", right? Goons are as knee deep in RMT as the 'other' main 0.0 power block. You and I and most people in Eve with a brain know this.
Here's an official GSF response to your post: dwi. |
Katsura Kotonoha
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.29 23:52:00 -
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Hey OP, you're asking for an unenforceable rule. It's like the "no running" rule in elementary school. |
Katsura Kotonoha
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.30 00:40:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Quote:Hey OP, you're asking for an unenforceable rule. It's like the "no running" rule in elementary school. Actually I don't think it is unenforceable at all. Here's the logic. Disregarding what can currently occur under the EULA add this one simple line... >>> Alliance/corp is fined for EVERY bot detected, escalating on subsequent offenses. The justification for this is where an alliance/corp has ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY or PROVIDED A HAVEN for bots then they must also be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for bots. Either the alliance gets VERY proactive against bots or it's going to hurt. ..oo00oo.. btw: You Goon guys have been very active in this thread and I really do appreciate you dropping by. If you're doing anything, your're proving Mittani's sheep theory. Keep up the good work. Post stays high on the list too. Win/Win
Gonna put my bots in hostile alliances just to get reported before they catch me. |
Katsura Kotonoha
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.30 00:42:00 -
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Though that's not as good as getting the whole alliance banned like you originally suggested. |
Katsura Kotonoha
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.30 00:45:00 -
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Brooson wrote:Apostle, did you get scammed by goons? In all seriousness I cant understand your hatred for goonswarm.
We love you. He must've gotten reported for botting and feels left out of the club. |
Katsura Kotonoha
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.30 00:54:00 -
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Misteek Eternal wrote: Something about all this seems very farmiliar. Something about a large group getting called out for cheating/exploiting/whatever. Some DEV favoritism thrown around in there too a little I see. Funny how the ones on the block now are the ones that cried foul way back then. I think I`m going to go look up that old Outbreak video, Karma i believe its name was. Just fyi it didn't work. That's why we have devswarm now. |
Katsura Kotonoha
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.30 00:57:00 -
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Cypermethren wrote:Misteek Eternal wrote: Something about all this seems very farmiliar. Something about a large group getting called out for cheating/exploiting/whatever. Some DEV favoritism thrown around in there too a little I see. Funny how the ones on the block now are the ones that cried foul way back then. I think I`m going to go look up that old Outbreak video, Karma i believe its name was. And with the Dev saying bring us proof and we'll do something about it opend another door. Oh how **** will hit the fan and blow up in CCP's face when a disgrunted goon makes a post on these forums providing 10-15 screenshots from forums, jabber, maybe an audio file taken from voice comms, of said RMT trading going on. Will CCP throw the "just because they said it on their own private forums doesnt mean they do...." card and still refuze to investigate from their end of the game/logfiles? Will CCP remove the thread immediately, ban the user that bought forwarth this information in attempts to save face with the eve community as it would be the SECOND time that they've been caught out giving an unfair advantage to select players? Surely CCP, you realise that by stating you wont do crap about the issue untill we bring you proof that you've just setup a challenge for us players to infiltrate and supply evidance, which we will do with a passion to spite you for lying to us - is only giving more fuel to the fire that will force you to pull the Jove card or watch as your'e active user count drops down to 10 or 15 thousand as players leave by the droves, sick of you're lies, corruption, broken promices, and oh, more lies. BUY MY ISK |
Katsura Kotonoha
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.30 01:00:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:And hey. I'm flattered that "The Mittani" has sent his henchman to punch my post silly. Just let him know that he's proving HIS and MY social experiment...
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